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The Time Energy Pump oscillator - JLN labs - 97 - last update 08/23/97

I believe this circuit is a very important development.  I strongly
recommend those of you who are electronically skilled to try it out.
Yes even I will build this one :-)
I believe there is a STRONG potential for overunity with this circuit, or
modifications of it.
I disagree with Jean-louis about the importance of the scalar aspect, as I
think the output can be completely explained by parametric resonance.  The
sharp drop in L as the current enters the bifilar assembly causes an
increase in the energy in the circuit, according to
E = Li^2/2.  It takes very little energy to change the L of the coil (the
opposed magnetic fields of the entering current do it) and yet the energy
in the coil multiplies many times.
From a time-linear perspective this increase will appear to directly
violate the law of conservation of energy.  From within the changing time
frame of the device there is no such violation.
The Time Energy Pump is precisely that.  It changes the time rate to create
free energy.
 
Fred

 
I tried it (with significantly different configuration) and see such as
waveform on the scope.
 
I had a prebuild bifilar coil of 30mm diameter and 75mm length wounded
0.55 wire. A adapted an other coil as L3. Collector coil was not
important. It only need to supply enough high impedance for the
transistor to keep the current reasonable range. I used 2N3055.
An other modification is a insertion of an 10nF serially to the Base.
Direct connection of L3 caused very large currents and not oscillate
well.
 
Instead of connecting a probe to circuit, I observed oscillations via an
other small coil attached to the probe and inserted inside the bifilar
coil.(Probe's large capacitance affected the circuit when attached
directly)
 
What I see on the scope is similar to your waveform as:
 
(look with fixed width fonts)
 
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      ----|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||----
          ||||||||||||   ||||||||||||
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           +------6uS-----+
                 166KHz 
 
Signal is modulated with 4MHz.
 
My question is:
 
Is something that can not be explained with a conventional thinking of
electronics on this oscilation mode? 
 
Note:
Inter-winding capacitances, L3-L1/L2 capacitances and the shielding
effect of the L3 over bifilar coil (As this capacitance increase the
frequency is also increasing. I got 5.5MHz with maximum inter coil
capacitance.) have major effects on these coils.
 
Regards,
 
hamdi ucar

Here are a few suggestions for interested TEP experimenters:
Rather than having a single bifilar coil, with a conventional (single
wound) coil over it, we might want to test two coaxial bifilar coils
inside a conventional coil.
 
Tests could be made to show that when we drive either bifilar coil alone
we do not see any induced signals (EM coupling) between the excited
bifilar coil and the conventional (collector) coil.
 
We could then test the two possible cases where both bifilar coils were
driven, first in phase, and again with the bifilar coils driven 180
degrees out of phase.  
 
This testing can be used to explore the behavior of any interference
between the bifilar coils.  If they indeed do emit scalar waves, then we
should see an EM signal in the collector when the two scalar waves
interact be destructive interference, and yeild an EM wave.
 
Constructive interference would produce a larger scalar, with no EM
coupling to the conventional coil.  
 
This should suggest a great many ways to isolate an energy source from
back EMF and other effects.  If we load the 'collector' coil, how would
this load be reflected back to the source? 
 
Standard disclaimer: if these scalar waves are real, then we need to be
very careful about their reported biological effects.  Experimenters
must assume all risks of their work in this area!
 
It's a lot more fun than chasing rolling balls in my opinion, but its a
heck of a lot more dangerous too.
 
Jean-Louis, you need a good scalar detector to proceed in your work!
You might try connecting your bifilar coil windings in series rather
than having one in the emitter circuit, and the other in the
(transistors) collector circuit.
 
I shall try to generate schematics for the super-regenerative detector
over this weekend.
Bob Shannon

Michael Randall wrote:
 
<...>
> Hi Hamdi,
> 
> Can you comment on how to extract ou energy from this type of circuit?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Michael Randall
 
Extraction of energy in electricity form out of the circuit is extremely
difficult as the whole circuit is an oscillator and probably the build
currents and voltages phases and how they are mounted on the waveforms
and their frequencies does not allow simple extraction like rectifying.
Calorimetry seems be the safe method to see the excess energy if there
is any. 
 
These circuits can be considered as semi controlled experiments that we
only be content to observe what they produce carefully but not try to
optimize the effect. Expensive instruments like spectrum analysers and
high bandwidth scopes and good RF signal generators will be very useful
to see and understand what is going on on these coils. Power extracting
should not be the first goal of these circuits. 
 
Circuits  gives always unexpected outputs and puzzle us keep interest on
it. This for sure. Every oddity is present. I also recommend  to observe
the electrical-magnetical field inside and outside of these coil rather
than the currents and voltages. I am sure you will be amazed  with what
you will observe and see the complexity. 
 
An other severe problem is reproducibility (still I am deeling with it).
As these coils are not simple inductances, any parameter to change the
interwinding capacitances as the tightness of the windings and enamel
material and thickness the form material, isolation materials, coil
leads lengths, placements of the coils on the bench, and other many
other issues should be considered. A good labrotory environment should
be supplied(I could not) for overcome the reproducibility probem. The
circuit and its requirements look like simple, but it is not definitevly
a college class experiment. But unideal enviromnment can be thought as a
advantage because generally things are discovered by accidents. More
uncontrolled conditions leads to more opportunity to surprizes.
 
I dont know really this specific circuit have any OU signs but it seems
a good start point to investigate. May this forum offer a systematic
wide spectrum analysis of this phenomenon.
 
Regards,
 
hamdi ucar

The thing that I observed while playing a kind of bifilar coil look like
a RF electromagnetism anomaly.
 
 Setup can be descibed as follow:
 
- A source of magnetic/electromagnetic radiation. Frequency is 26MHz,
second harmonic is present( a sawtooth is formed when phase is suitable)
 
- A 5 turn of 35mm coil attached to a probe to monitor the magnetic
field component of the EM field.
 
- There is no noticable external EM radiation. 
 
- Scope is NOT subjected to other signals coming from the circuit
 
- Coil and the probe is attached to a plasic stick to keep for my body
and my arm far enough from the coil and the EM source.
 
- Metal surfaces(table) are present close (25cm) to the source.
 
- Probe capacitance and the coil does not resonate at this frequency.
 
 
The anomaly is when the coil is move forvard and backward to the sources
(eg. 40 to 50 cm) the amplitude ratio and phase of the harmonics are
significantly changed as 90 to 180 degrees. This observation made from
different angles and from distance to the source and this behavior is
always observed. Plus, the turning of the coil(probe)  also completely
change the phase of the harmonics. Anyway any movement of the coil
affect the waveform. 
 
As the 52MHz wavelength is ~6 meter, 10cm of movement could not revert
phases of harmonics of a signal. Also when the coil(probe) is turned the
inducted waveform is completly changing. 
 
What is happening? 
 
Regards,
 
hamdi ucar

Hamdi Ucar wrote:
>[snip]
>- A source of magnetic/electromagnetic radiation. Frequency is 26MHz,
>second harmonic is present( a sawtooth is formed when phase is suitable)
>[snip] Also when the coil(probe) is turned the
>inducted waveform is completly changing.
>
>What is happening?
 
This appears very much like a typical case of mixed magnetic and electric
response. Your coil is not shielded against electrostatic pickup, hence its
metallic mass picks up electric field by acting as a capacitor plate, not
just by magnetic induction. At low frequencies the inductive reactance of
the coil is low enough to short circuit the electrostatic pickup, but a "5
turn of 35mm coil" at 26 MHz has enough reactance that this is no longer so
effective. The variable direction response is explained by recalling that
(1) the electrostatic and electrodynamic components of electric field E of
the experimental system are not identical, and (2) the directional
sensitiviey of the probe is different for the two components.
 
I suggest that you test your probe. Test its response to the mainly
electrostatic field between two metal plates. A probe responding to only
dB/dt will give only a small response, corresponding to the displacement
current.
 
The probe coil must have a good Farady shield to block the electrostatic
component of E. If you don't understand Farady shielding, then you cannot
take meaningful data nor interpret them in an experiment of this kind.
 
Michael J. Schaffer
General Atomics, PO Box 85608, San Diego CA 92186-5608, USA
Tel:  619-455-2841              Fax:  619-455-4156
 

[email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> This appears very much like a typical case of mixed magnetic and
> electric response. 
>[snip] 
> The probe coil must have a good Farady shield to block the
> electrostatic component of E. If you don't understand Farady shielding, then
> you cannot take meaningful data nor interpret them in an experiment of this
> kind.
>[snip]
> 
> Michael J. Schaffer
 
Thank you for your letter. Indeed large shifting of the harmonics when
the coil turned 180 degree is exactly the electrical field job as you
pointed. I will build a Faraday shielding and repeat the experiment. As
a note, moving the probe forward to coil as I described does not largely
modify waveforms but it can be clearly seen. I figured an other
explanation for the effect to responsible for the lateral movements of
the probe(keeping same distance to the center of the source coil as:
 
The source bifilar coil is 12cm long and 3cm diameter. If multiple
dipoles are generated (one or more dipole for each harmonics), the will
create an interference pattern in space around. This is very likely
(multiple dipoles) because, I observed the difference on amplitude and
phase of the harmonics while scanning the field as proximity.(There are
other interesting observations as strong inductions occurs when the
probe is oriented radially the source coil to its longitudinal middle
point.)
 
New observations prior to your letter, made with a smaller (2 turn of
23mm diameter) sense coil did reduced the turning effect but moving
effects are remained same. I observed the electrical component of the
field more than my expectation, enough large to affect the experiment.
Probe shielding against electrical field is acceptable as placed on the
proximity of the source coil the signal captured is remain under
5mVpp.(coil induced voltage is 30mVpp.  on average. It can be thought
good enough for this rude experimentation.
 
I could not successfully build a faraday shield (I could not ground it
effectively in my first attempt. (I could not suppress the large signal
build on it).
 
 
It seems to me the dipoles effect can be taken account for this
configuration. But still the long wavelength of the source is a
difficulty.
 
             ---12 cm ----
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             1  2  1  2  1 
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                                       40 cm    
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                                  probe   
 
(1) and (2) shows the nodes of 1'st and the 2'th harmonics "as example"
according my hypothesis. I did not still located them.
 
Note that the source coil is a bifilar single layer tightly wounded with
0.40mm wire and one end is shorted and oscillate (resonate) at 26MHz
despite the large inter winding capacitances are present. Not only the
entry portion of the coil is active, the largest field is generated on
close to the shorted end of the coil. I think they completely lose the
inductive character on frequency in order of magnitude on their usable
range and behave like transmission lines, not only bifilar coils but
normal coils also.
 
 
The scope bandwidth that I am using currently is on the limit, but I
have to opportunity to gather an other scope having enough BW for this
operation.
 
 
Regards,
 
hamdi ucar